Saturday, March 28, 2015

A Facebook exchange on Poland/Ukraine/Russia (doubttless it will be continued) -- worth considering


Tina Jennings
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Just bumped into Timothy Garton Ash in an Oxford salon, where we were both getting our hair cut at the same time… TGA of the "Putin MUST be stopped" article in The Guardian, in which he advocates arming Ukraine with weaponry sufficient to take on Russia militarily. He casually mentioned that he was on his way to Belarus and Ukraine this week, whereupon I said, for the sake of global peace and the continuation of human life on the planet, I hoped he wouldn't try to stage a similar coup in Minsk as was orchestrated in Kiev last year. To which TGA replied that he hopes that is exactly what will happen in Minsk... and looked at me as though I was the extremist radical freak on the lunatic fringe... My teenager Katya, who only heard the words 'Minsk', 'Kiev' and 'Moscow', rolled her eyes at me and said: "oh god, Mum, why do you always have to get involved?? You are SO weird…" smile emoticon



Putin must be stopped. And sometimes only guns can stop guns | Timothy Garton Ash
The time for diplomacy will come again, but it is not now: Ukraine urgently needs military support, and a counter to Russian propaganda
THEGUARDIAN.COM|BY TIMOTHY GARTON ASH
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  • 73 people like this.
  • Daniel ODonoju If there is a coup, you will probably have a lifetime regret you didn't put a scissors in his heart when you had the chance. Maybe next time, tell him to bring HIS children to the artillery zone so they can reap the consequences of his beliefs, not just innocent Ukrainians and NovoRussians. Arrogant twats like him can no longer be tolerated.
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  • Richard Chetwynd He plays a game of ideas in a book. Easy for him to advocate bombing. Look what the peaceniks did to Yugoslavia!
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  • Luci Lucescu TGA is so ful of shit!See Translation
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  • Robert Sandlin To a firing squad or hangman's noose should be his final visit.Hopefully,it will be arranged for him.
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  • David Bullock I hope the Ukrainians mistake this guy for someone else and treats him to a good old Right Sector beating. This will open his eyes. However, with both Britain and the US breaking the Minsk II peace agreement Russia, Germany and France should be heavi...See More
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  • Jeffrey Sweetbaum He obviously knows Russia well.
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  • Dee Hunt To Katya : Your mum is a rare treasure. Someone who has a working brain and functioning moral compass. Amongst the masses of mindless morons, and the perpetual wars and plunder for the 'Security Interests' of a select few fat rich folk, it's hard to ke...See More
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  • Kevin Brooke Hudson sharing when I am back at my computer and able to include your comment.
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  • Tina Jennings Dee Hunt and John David Varoli thank you for your kind words… I hope so, but at the moment, and this entire year for sure, all three of them think I'm just "massively" embarrassing, to be kept ideally under wraps, indoors and away from their friends… only one is still on FB with me, another unfriended me so my posts wouldn't be visible, and the third deactivated her FB account altogether... HA HA HA 
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  • Dee Hunt ..sigh ... something darned wrong when the kids are all mainstream establishment fans ... and us reprobates of the 60's (?80's) are Woodstock-ing on facebook!?!! 
    What's wrong with them!!! 'Creeping' but no protesting 
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  • John Brown Had the pleasure of having very interesting conversations with Timothy while posted at the U.S. Consulate Krakow (86-90) and U.S. Embassy Belgrade (95-98). His observations about Poland were in my modest opinion (from my "on the scene" perspective) the best accounts of that courageous country at that time in the Western media.
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  • Tina Jennings Dee Hunt Don't worry, I'm still working on them… they haven't got a chance
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  • Mary Allen I admire your restraint, Tina. I would be sorely tempted to give him a right hook. 
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  • Robert Michael Reddicks I'd be happy to give him a haircut. I don't think he would like it, though.
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  • Robert Michael Reddicks Nothing so good as an AK, Andrew. Let him have a humvee and an early model m-16.
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  • Roma Zidan They don't get promoted/ paid if they don't write trash like this, what do you expect? 

    Write an objective article analyzing Russia and you are a "Kremlin Propagandist."
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  • Алина Харитонова theguardian.com is a lies' bag.don t read lies,more¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
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  • Desmond Knox I read that article and drop a line in the Gardian comment section at the tim as it was factually incorrect. The government in Minsk should arrest him for incitement and for spreading sedation. His role call of awards is amazing, for example George Orwell Prize for journalism (2006) ! how do you win that when you write lies ! Newspeak ! that prize should be removed from him.
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  • Алина Харитонова LIES ,HERE ONLE LIES ,FROM LIARS,HA DON T LIKE¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
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  • Robert Michael Reddicks Still, it's always good to know what they're lying about on any particular day. Worth the read (if you don't pay for it) but not worth the believe.
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  • Дмитрий Шутаев 120% bullshit! Better think about depression rate in EU/ UK, IGiL, and what is happening to Syrien and Israel. Let us life and breathe safely and free. # For Putin # hands of from Russia
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  • Alexej Dischenko Fools don't understad what they are asking for. Putin is the only man who stands between them and the russians' wrath.
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  • Sandy Krolick Gotta love the daughter!
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  • Tina Jennings John Brown TGA is excellent on the subject of Central Europe, was closely involved in the events leading up to 1989 during his 'formative' years, his wife is Polish and children half-Polish… but he neither understands Russian interests, nor cares for Russia... or he would not be espousing the views that he does.
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  • Bruce Saunders Weird. Yes. Nothing a bullodzer wouldn;t fix!
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  • Rene Norton A Toast to the weird amongst us
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  • Rene Norton this global finacial mess is to nationalize the oil and the banks
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  • Miguel Francis Santiago What an idiot. You should have called him a disgrace to human race, politics, and journalism.
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  • Barbara Hathaway Wake up girl. Putin has been instrumental in keeping war from happening. get your facts from the horses mouth not the bought out U.S. and UK media.
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  • Thomas Dunn Its interesting that this guy is travelling to a sovereign country, openly advocating the overthrow of that country's government? So when he gets arrested in Minsk, what kind of cry baby crap am I going to hear about it?
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  • Alexander Mercouris My own view is that he is MI6. In fact I am sure of it as are many people I know.
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  • Tina Jennings Thomas Dunn Michael McFaul was openly advocating regime change in Russia while he was US ambassador there
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  • John Brown Tina -- And if you'll allow may I cite other distinguished commentators, Norman Davies (whom I also met in Krakow in the late 80s; we had illuminating conversations thtp://www.goodreads.com/book/show/368039.Heart_of_Europe) and the "I almost became Fir...See More



    I almost became the first lady of Poland.
    The stylist looked over my clothes. "Yes, this is exactly the sort of thing I thought you would have in your...
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  • Thomas Dunn McFaul could not be more discredited! He has a drinking problem if I understand correctly? In any case, these neo-cons think, dream, actually believe that Mikhail Khodorkovsky or Gary Khasparov can become president of the RF!
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  • Thomas Dunn They don't want a democratic Russia, they want a Play Doh Russia!
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  • Robert Michael Reddicks Khasparov? In that case why not "Deep Blue" as president of the RF. That should make the usa a bit happy.
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  • Thomas Dunn By the way, his real name is Weinstein.
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  • Ben Aris I have a solution to this problem: for every analyst or academic that says we should send guns to Ukraine it should be made a condition that they also go and join in the fighting personally. That way they will be a little less quick to put other people's lives on the line I'm sure.
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  • Robert Michael Reddicks Oh, it's just their old money maker. They never go and their ilk never dies.
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  • Tina Jennings John Brown I could not disagree more with you about Anne Applebaum. Her views are absolutely shocking; she was in fact the first commentator to voice the view last year (in the Spectator) that conventional warfare in Europe would be just fine and dandy, and we should all "get over" the taboo about the idea that it shouldn't be allowed to happen again... Don't get me started on her here, I post about her regularly. If she ends up as First Lady of Poland, Europe is finished. In my opinion, Applebaum is a raving lunatic, and makes Ed Lucas sound like Mahatma Gandhi.
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  • Ben Aris Re Anne Appelbaum: what do you know about the Legatum Institute?Li.com. she is on payroll. Lucas' wife is head of comms there. Michael Weiss is regular panelist (of Khod' son's Interpreter), Chrisian Carol on payroll there, Peter pomerantsev on pay r...See More



    Legatum Institute
    The Legatum Institute is a charitable public policy think-tank whose mission is to help people lead more...
    LI.COM
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  • Christopher Doss Applebaum appears to me to be a contemptible human being.
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  • Ben Aris trouble is appelbaum is very influential
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  • John Brown Tina -- Thank you for your kind response. Your observation deserves far more than more than an "immediate" Facebook "reaction." My only reaction at this time is that you -- unlike Ms. Applebaum -- has the courtesy to respond to comments -- granted, superficial in most cases, mine included -- a response which is much appreciated. Best, john
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  • Christopher Doss Hitler was very influential. Applebaum is trash.
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  • Tina Jennings You already know everything about Legatum then, Ben  … and the funding comes from Sovereign Asset Management, headquartered in Dubai, the private investment vehicle of the Chandler brothers, whom you will remember from our days in Moscow in the 1990s
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  • Christopher Doss Applebaum's nightmare world is one in which Polish pedophiles are all locked up in prisons run by the KGB and staffed by Muslims.
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  • Christopher Doss One of those people who basically sold their morality in exchange for, what, social status really. A prostitute.
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