Friday, March 9, 2018

JB Facebook visual remark on the status of women in France - marked as "spam" by Fb



Here's the latest Fb exchange (6:42 PM. 3/2018) on an Facebook-censorship interesting topic, in which my non-verbal/non-testicular ode to Joan of Arc was banned as "spam." [See above; below]

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[Full disclosure; am -- what can I blame it on -- a francophile; Why? At my earliest age, attended an-outside-of-Paris école maternelle when my dear Father, a USA dip, was posted in France in the early 50's; I spoke French (no English, thanks to my French nanny) until the 4th grade, when my dad  (he never felt "guilty" about his kids being  brought up non-"American," doubtless because he felt it was the best way to be a "true American") sent me and my brother to an English-speaking "international school' in Brussels.]
For my sins (not necessarily "male}" I continue  -- very, very slowly -- to read Madame Bovary in the original.
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Elaine Sciolino, New York Times
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SEXISM LIVES IN FRANCE. This really happened. I was at a luncheon in Nanterre honoring Catherine Pegard, the head of Versailles. on International Women's Day yesterday. I was chatting with the male "President" of the Yvelines Department, one of the hosts, and one of the press officers, a young woman. I told the "President" how smart, efficient, and patient his press officer was. He put his arm around her shoulder, pulled her close, and said, "What counts is how beautiful she is." I told him he was out of line, and he said, "Ah, you Americans just don't understand us French."
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Dana Thomas This, Elaine, is exactly what I mean when I say, “I’ve lived in France more than half my life and every day I will see or hear something by or from a Frenchie that I would have never anticipated and will probably never understand.” My spouse included. 
Every. Day.


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Donna Bremner Wtf that's just crazy .... sorry!! Hopefully is was meant as beautifully articulate and her beauty was in her savoir faire!!!
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Maggie Gram astonishing how familiar this feels, no?
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Ariane Brnrd Seriously awful
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Ingrid Uys That is french admiration for women. The french like women not in the American lecherous gross way.
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Ariane Brnrd Elaine, remind me to tell you about an A++ story that happened to me while attending a fancy Silicon Valley event.
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Jerry Fischer Remember the two French women who said American women were going to far in the #metoo movement?
French women are cooperating with their captors.


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Cornelia Dean Grrrr.....
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Brooke Kroeger But there is also Jamaissanselles...

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Susan Edgerley But you do understand them, well enough to know that is not them.
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Francoise Djerejian I miss that...
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Cory Anne Azumbrado-Charles The sad thing is we Americans allow it subtlety in our industries across board-including hiring often the best looking women over more qualified on air in broadcasting but I’ve seen it politics also.

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Lisa Anselmo Not surprised. As a transplanted New Yorker, I find myself in shock most days. From the telemarketer who asks to speak to my husband, to the well-meaning male friend who always feels the need to "educate" me on life. It's like 1950 here. Overt sexism, ...See More
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Vivienne Walt just so done with hearing from French (male) friends that the #metoo movement is a suffocating clamp on the wonderful French way of life... 😫😫
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Jean-Marc Illouz Light stuff I’m afraid dear Elaine
Wouldn’t dare put in full quotes here, a more tragic exemple in newsroom ‘94.
We had two war savvy female reporters in the field in Rwanda
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Iain Crawford Each one of us, if not the product of a virgin birth, owes our existence to the fact that our father looked at our mother and thought 'how beautiful she is'.
Short of building some kind of Brave New World society, I don't see how that's ever going to change.
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François Picard Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him.
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Jan Harland I wonder what Catherine Deneuve would have to say now.
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Mary Blake First Elaine, you are beautiful. Second, nice teeth are important in US politics. The French treat women at any age as women - and sexy. I love it and your book! Your neighbor in Montmartre...Mary.

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Francesca Craig Americans think the same way, they just don't say it, what's worse?

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Doni Belau INFURIATING - send him an email with this quote “i want to apologize to all the women i have called beautiful
before i’ve called them intelligent or brave
i am sorry i made it sound as though
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Serge Kovaleski I think French men like him don’t understand that things change. This has always been a painful thing for many in France to accept.

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John Mariani Oui, oui!!Manage

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Laurie P Cohen plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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Jean-Yves Zoyo I'm sorry for him. Very sad.
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Heather Stimmler Yeah it sucks, but you seem to imply there's some magical place where sexism doesn't exist. I still want to throw up every time I think of the episode of Oprah's "Super Soul Sundays" where she introduces us to the "New Generation of Spiritual Thinkers"...See MoreManage

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Patricia Laplante-Collins Elaine Sciolino:, As n everything, a lot depends of the the generation. Men of a certain age cannot change, French included.. Not sure what that age is - 45,. 50 and upwards? Depends on travel, experiences, education.

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Felix Marquardt Pauvre type
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Rachel Kaplan Sexism does live in France and that is why there was a "Balance ton porc" movement. At the same time, the US can't throw stones at the French--we have elected a president who is being sued by a porn artist who slept with him while he wife was pregnant....See More

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Michael Kurcfeld Curious to know her reaction to her boss's declaration. Amused, bothered, resigned...?
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Elaine Sciolino The young woman was frozen. She said, "I'm young and he has power over me. What can I do?" So I took her aside and gave her the same life lessons I gave my two 20-something daughters -- how to create some distane and practice how to be polite, serious and charming all at the same time...

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Grace Teshima Sois belle et tais-toi. Voilà. Now you understand French.

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Deborah Frost This is news? : )
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John Brown no comment ...Manage

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John Brown Mignonne, allons voir si la rose
A Cassandre
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John Brown "Ah, you Americans just don't understand us French." -- Could translate that into French -- or perhaps better, into accurate English (if possible)? 
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Edith de Belleville Well said Heather !
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Susie Hollands Vingt Paris What a beautiful example of how far we have to go in France

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John Brown Baudelaire speaks

Recueillement
Sois sage, ô ma Douleur, et tiens-toi plus tranquille.
Tu réclamais le Soir; il descend; le voici:
Une atmosphère obscure enveloppe la ville,
Aux uns portant la paix, aux autres le souci.
Pendant que des mortels la multitude vile,
Sous le fouet du Plaisir, ce bourreau sans merci,
Va cueillir des remords dans la fête servile,
Ma Douleur, donne-moi la main; viens par ici,
Loin d'eux. Vois se pencher les défuntes Années,
Sur les balcons du ciel, en robes surannées;
Surgir du fond des eaux le Regret souriant;
Le soleil moribond s'endormir sous une arche,
Et, comme un long linceul traînant à l'Orient,
Entends, ma chère, entends la douce Nuit qui marche.

— Charles Baudelaire
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Mark Borowsky The patronizing form of sexism / racism, is often the worst kind. Just imagine, if the press officer in question had been Jewish, she would not only have been beautiful, but also good with money.
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David Schofield I have NEVER had a boss put his arm around me and tell someone that the most important thing is how beautiful I am...but I suspect there is a far different reason for that.
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Thierry Secretan Appalling remark having nothing to do with "being French" but everything to do with a mentality "as crooked as a politician spine".
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Don Krieger Dear Elaine --

Sexism is alive everywhere and has been for a hundred centuries.

It will take a sustained world wide effort many generations to make a real and lasting difference.
I am with you and many times many others are too.
But I think it's clear that most of us do not know what to do except to try to make a difference in our own lives.

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